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You have interviewed two serial hackers products. These companies have a hard time
for your books “The Watchman” and “The doing two things at once: maintaining their
Fugitive Man”. Does innovation also mean current business and having the courage and
challenging the system? the vision to innovate and think wildly about
In my youth, I wrote two bestsellers about what may be next.
famous computer hackers (Kevin Poulsen Another thing I see a lot is that there are
and Kevin David Mitnick), but in reality, methods to rate people by sales or things
neither of them really hacked for profit. In the they already know, but there are no good
beginning, there was a whole computer ways to measure or understand talent in
generation that did what the Portuguese did, companies. And they absolutely need to
they 'explored' the world, the world of promote this.
technology and computer networks even
before the mobile phone and Is there a book we should all read in school
telecommunications networks. to awaken innovation from an early age, long
before entering the labor market?
This mindset is the same that has birthed
great companies like Apple – Steve Jobs was “Alice in Wonderland” is a fantastic work
actually a slightly criminal hacker and was because it awakens the imagination,
doing things that were against the law, but broadens the view of things, has wonderful
later on, he did very beautiful things and characters, and presents a narrative that
created an incredible company. So many of breaks the tradition.
these early hackers tested and challenged Speaking of books, in your book “The Ten
systems, a mindset that many entrepreneurs Faces of Innovation”, you present ten profiles
have today to test and improve a product and with specific roles and contributions to
come up with something completely new. innovation (the Anthropologist, the
Many countries, including Israel, have Experimenter, the Cross-Pollinator, the
hackers working for the state. Hurdler, the Collaborator, the Director, the
The US is not as smart in this area, but Experience Architect, the Set Designer, the
people are beginning to realize that you can Storyteller, and the Caregiver). Do companies
give people good opportunities and that they have them all... or do we see a gap?
can innovate by going to the good side of We have many Anthropologists, and many
what we call the 'white hat hacker' instead of companies with solutions in the market that
the 'black hat hacker'. really observe, understand, and interact with
Given your work with global organizations, customers, anticipating their needs. We also
what is your perception of how companies have many Experimenters and prototypers,
promote internal talent and innovation from which I call makers.
within? Many companies fail in a profile that I
Unfortunately, many are not very good at love and is part of my skill set – the
that, because they get stuck in the idea that Cross-Pollinator, who crosses ideas from
they are already good companies with other areas, markets, and parts of the
established customers and established world to get a creative mix at the root of
products. Because they need to keep making innovation.
money, they need to keep selling the same
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